Coverstain has it's uses. I hit the Cover Stain again (I have a gallon to play with). Tonypandy • Member since 24 Jul 2017 • I really want to like this product, but can't. It's a primer and sealer in one and blocks stains permanently. I'm hearing a lot from a couple paint companies we deal with about the introduction of an extremely fine alkyd resin suspended in a water based system. It has worn off over the years and I want to paint the cabinets now. B-I-N®, developed in 1946, is the original shellac-based white-pigmented primer-sealer stain-killer. Cover Stain® Oil-Based Primer is not intended for application to floors, decks, roof surfaces or any surface subject to immersion or prolonged contact with water. They are all so high solids and low solvent that they drag and don't level at all like they use to. I flows like the old oils and gets you most of the same benefits of the traditional oils. May be used under any solvent-based or water-based topcoat. We had my daughter’s room freshly plastered recently. Developed in 1985, Cover-Stain is the only interior/exterior primer, sealer, stain sealer and bond coat that dries for recoat in only one hour. Ideal for interior and exterior applications. The good news is that you can apply several different types of finishes over top of the acrylic paint to make it more durable and add a sheen. MIXING Mix thoroughly to ensure any settled pigment is re-dispersed. Is this a good idea? I plan on painting the drywall with latex and the shelves with SW Pro Classic. Zinsser AllCoat Exterior Satin (Water Based) is a long lasting all surface paint offering up to 15 years performance, and is available in 350+ RAL and BS colours. Professional painters use Cover-Stain for it wonderful application properties and versatility of use. Oh well, seems there's no easy solution (except for going with the Zinsser 123, but I'd like to stick with oil). We decided to use the same brand for clear comparisons. It is a commonly held belief that oil-based paints don’t mix well with other types of paints; however, at the same time, it is also said that it is perfectly okay to use latex paint over an oil-based primer. I am not sure and not really sure anyone could say for sure but I would rather have it directly on the wood. Any fast drying product should not be used for brush applications on bare wood, as the product has no time to level. There’s a reason Rust-Oleum® Zinsser® Bulls Eye 1-2-3® Water-Base Primer is our most popular primer. Cover-Stain is also available as an aerosol for spot work and priming small objects. They all held up MUCH better than the first two in the scratch tests. Recoat in only two hours. Does anyone have an oi/alkyd base primer they can recommend that will do the job AND also level out? The stuff just won't lay down worth a darn. The slower drying ones will tend to level better. From the Manufacturer. I think if you try a little thinner in the Cover Stain primer you will see a world of difference in how it spreads and lays down. This whole-house primer-sealer is a favourite with professionals. I am planning on using Zinsser oil based Cover Stain Primer to completely coat it. Can be used under any oil- or water-based topcoat. Zinsser also manufacture a spray paint to cover stains, Zinsser Primer Stain Killer Aerosol, perfect for situations where you have a small patch or patches of water stains. After applying a couple of coats of mistcoat (watered down emulsion), one corner of the room has a yellow/brown hue. Sitemap After applying a couple of coats of mistcoat (watered down emulsion), one corner of the room has a yellow/brown hue. Also if you are doing two coats over it make sure you also leave a good amount of drying time between. Paint over water stained interior walls and ceilings with B-I-N®. Do not box or intermix Cover Stain Oil-Based Primer with other oil-base or water-base products. Cover Stain® An all-purpose solvent-based, stain-killing, primer-sealer. jobs, It stinks, is thin and runny, and a mess to apply evenly. Up to 9.8m2 coverage per litre on most surfaces. It has worn off over the years and I want to paint the cabinets now. This is what I want to use as a primer over the water based polyurethane. We had my daughter’s room freshly plastered recently. Use it to block stains, hide dark colours, prevent tannin bleed and penetrate and seal exterior wood. 0000004936 00000 n 0000002520 00000 n Ideal for interior / exterior use. Recently painted my bedroom. Can you paint over Zinsser? Cover Stain® Oil-Based Primer is not intended for application to floors, decks, roof surfaces or any surface subject to immersion or prolonged contact with water. Then texturing, and then using an oil based paint. Registered in England No. Now I am working on the entry way. The house is 1960’s and we stripped wallpaper as we wanted to just paint walls. Yes. Zinsser's primers (BIN, 123 and Cover Stain) all say in their technical docs that they can be painted over with any water-based or solvent-based topcoat. If you’ve ever looked through the Zinsser range you’ll see that they have a lot of different Zinssser primers to choose from. This premium, whole-house primer-sealer provides outstanding performance indoors and out, with low odor, great flow and leveling and a flexible, acrylic formula. Zinsser Cover-Stain is great for new construction and remodeling work. I still have a ton of baseboard and a dozen doors that need to be primed overtop of older paint...and I think they are going to have to get Cover Stain. Up to 9.8m2 coverage per litre on most surfaces. Ahead, you’ll find pointers for using whatever paint products you like over oil-based paint. To find out how easy it can be watch our video below our follow these step by step instructions! Brian discusses the Zinsser Cover Stain, an oil based stain from Rust-Oleum that can be applied on almost any surface. Milton Keynes • Member since 1 Nov 2016 • Painting older plaster with patches where paint won’t stick! It features an oil-based formula that seals stains from water, smoke, fire, nicotine and tannin bleed. It doesn't cover in difficult bleed through places as well as the Kilz did, and I hoped the Zinsser would. I was able to take down the outer layer of paper, but the glue backing is left. I would stick with the 123 or BM's Fresh Start, I never liked cover stain for anything except over residual wall paper paste, even then I would go with any other oil based primer,cover stain just plain stinks,as in smells bad, and as you said never applied easily.123 or fs will go over old oil or anything else and stick with minimal sanding. Up to 9.8m2 coverage per litre on most surfaces. A regular oil undercoater would work much better. MIXING Mix thoroughly to ensure any settled pigment is re-dispersed. http://www.paintingwallpaperinghagerstown.com/, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 05272398. It's primarily for blocking certain types of stains that a water based can't block. It's great for interior and exterior surfaces. Oil Based White Interior/Exterior Primer and Sealer sticks to any surface without sanding and can be used under and over oil and latex topcoats. Can You Paint over Stain Using Acrylic Paint? Zinsser bulls Eye 1-2-3 1 gal. Can I paint emulsion matt over water based satinwood. Recoat in only two hours. 28 Zinsser also manufacture a spray paint to cover stains, Zinsser Primer Stain Killer Aerosol, perfect for situations where you have a small patch or patches of water stains. However, doing so will not have the same effect as applying stain and then later painting over the deck wood. Interestingly, though, on the other hand, you can’t use oil-based paints over latex paint.. Paint cracks that have loosened the paint around it. Click to see full answer Keeping this in view, can you paint emulsion over Zinsser BIN? Yes, you can. The catch to those is that you have to wait an eternity before they are hard enough to do any sanding if you need to as they will just gum up. Bulls-Eye® 1-2-3 is ideal for priming fibreglass. I found Zinsser Cover Stain Primer, which is alleged to adhere to all finishes. May be used under any solvent-based or water-based topcoat. I’ve already primed a new wooden door with Cover Stain. It's for extremely aggressive stains, like smoke damage. A Quick Guide to Zinsser Primers. Zinsser's Wallpaper-Cover Up provides the smart way to paint over wallpaper. I've tried mineral spirits, Penetrol, and Naptha. Use just a little bit. What a fiasco this will be. The only reason I recommend oil is that I have seen latex primers fail, and fail miserably on bare wood. Paint adheres well over water-based stain, so after completing the prep steps outlined above, apply a water-based latex primer with a brush or a roller… I will let you know how it goes! I am having the same issues with Zinsser Cover Stain. No need for a brush, just spray the water stain, wait until dry and apply a second coat. DO NOT THIN. Latex will sit and Zinsser will work its way in more. Put a little thinner in the paint. You can always ad more if needed. Kilz also offers an Origi… Zinsser 123 water based primer, Zinsser Cover Stain oil based primer, and Zinsser BIN shellac based primer. Model # 256184 Store SKU # 1000123364. I would stick with the 123 or BM's Fresh Start, I never liked cover stain for anything except over residual wall paper paste, even then I would go with any other oil based primer,cover stain just plain stinks,as in smells bad, and as you said never applied easily.123 or fs will go over old oil or anything else and stick with minimal sanding. BIN is not a monster you want to tackle. Do not box or intermix Cover Stain Oil-Based Primer with other oil-base or water-base products. Helping You to Do It Yourself! It sprays like a dream with little effort and covers great! DO NOT THIN. I was able to take down the outer layer of paper, but the glue backing is left. Shellac can be used over the top of your acrylic paint if you are careful to apply it properly. No need for a brush, just spray the water stain, wait until dry and apply a second coat. I will let you … In all honesty, oil is getting to the point that it all sucks. After the painting primers dried, we painted all the pieces using latex paint. It can stick to most interior and exterior surfaces and can be easily sanded. Ideal for interior and exterior applications. Zinsser Cover Stain 1 Gal. I have only sprayed it on. Any oil or latex paint can be applied over it. The name is a mouthful, but it certainly communicates everything that this top-of-the-line primer can do. (old Victorian house - not new walls) with Matt Emulsion. Zinsser Cover Stain Water-Base Primer. Good luck! From Kilz, you have the Kilz Premium High-Hide Stain-Blocking Interior/Exterior Primer, which is also water-based. Apply dulux stain block , available in spay can . sanded quickly with 200 grit sand paper, no primer. Recoat in only two hours. BE123 seems to slow the drying process a little and you will find the paint dragging if you try and second coat to soon. When you start doing a lot of repaints where you know they used latex primer on the previous paint job, you will see what people are talking about. 9 times out of 10 I will thin oil based primer. ... Zinsser Cover Stain® makes light work of unwanted graffiti - it primes and seals the affected substrate in … A waterbased primer will dry slower but will raise the grain. ... Interest-Based Ads The idea is good, but, make sure you don't have a water leak and the plaster is dry before you apply the Zinser, and when the Zinser is dry do a touch-up before the final coat, and everything would be fine feedback, Zinsser. It actually blocked tannin bleed, at least for the first couple months it's been on. Maybe I can spray the doors. May be used under any solvent- We use a lot of cedar where I am and the tannins will bleed through the FS as will knots and any other contaminates on the wood. sanded as #2, one coat of Zinsser 123 water based primer. Outstanding low VOC and low odor formula is designed to resist blistering, peeling and mold and mildew growth. sanded as #2, one coat of Zinsser BIN shellac based primer. Just ditch the cover stain and get a gallon of this, you have gone through enough head aches already. And will the water-based colour emulsion we have go on ok over the top? Zinsser Mold Killing Primer is a water-based EPA Zinsser Mold Killing Primer is a water-based EPA registered fungicidal protective coating that can be used to paint over and kill all existing mold, mildew, moss, fungi, odor causing bacteria and any other fungal organisms. No feedback. I planned on priming with Zinsser Cover Stain. I think you should try a different brand. Its zinsser. Product description:Paint. Question I have is I also have some fresh drywall and bare wood shelves that needs priming. I have a painter test a can of it. I try and avoid brushes as much as possible. Cookies sanded as #2, one coat of Zinsser Cover Stain oil based primer. over clean, well prepped, non-problem surfaces. All of them have their own uses, and knowing the best one to use in your situation will mean that you not only get the best results, but you also get results that will last longer. This premium, whole-house primer-sealer provides outstanding performance indoors and out, with low odor, great flow and leveling and a flexible, acrylic formula. One stellar offering from Zinsser is their Bulls Eye 1-2-3 Interior/Exterior Water-Based Primer. This primer sealer spray features a high-hiding formula to help block and seal water and smoke stains. I am planning on using Zinsser oil based Cover Stain Primer to completely coat it. I want to make sure this doesn’t come through when we apply the colour top-coat, so was thinking of covering just that corner in Zinsser cover stain primer sealer. Zinsser’s primers (BIN, 123 and Cover Stain) all say in their technical docs that they can be painted over with any water-based or solvent-based topcoat. Cover Stain is a fast drying alkyd that is best applied by sprayer. No feedback. First, let’s clarify which products we’re comparing. :yes: I am at a loss here. Yes but the zinsser cover stain is an oil based version that requires time to dry. When you visit the Store, be certain to have your Paint Associate tint … This is because deck stain (which is typically made to tolerate all-seasons outdoor conditions) is designed to absorb into the wood upon which it is applied. However, you need to sand the wood down first using a 150-grit piece of sandpaper. Just make sure you let it fully cure for a couple of days before painting over it. I stained my kitchen cabinets several years ago and used Minwax water based polyurethane as the finish coat. Now will the Zinsser after latex not cover up the smell as much. 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